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intrigue
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Owe I forgot to ask. Did they up your meds?

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Me 35, DH 44
TTC 5yrs (5yrs previous DH BFN)
Me low AMH @ 8.4 = Low fertility
DH Low S Morphology @ 5% normal = Low fertility
2 x IVF/ICSI.... BFN - bad eggs, advised to use donor eggs.
Gave up and moved on. Then conceived naturally but had missed miscarriage.

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Amber- I wish I could send you my extra medications that I had left over. I have tons of menapur and one gonal f pen left.
FYI- If anyone has to pay for medication and you need some menapur for your cycle. You are more than welcome to make arrangements with me to get mine.

Thanks,

Diane

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Amber I am sorry that you had to get upsetting news but remember it is early days!!! For your lining use the hot water bottle on your uterine area every day and twice if you can up until retrieval. Remember when I was being scanned for my induction for those 3 months, some days on day 10 I'd only have a 12 mm follicle but by day 12 they would be 15 or 16 so keep that in mind!!! 2-3 days can make a huge difference in this thing. It is quality not quantity as Diane said and anything from 5-12 is good. Thats what they told us at the ivf talk!!!They don't want to see loads of big ones. So your doing good!!! Did they up your meds today??? Increase your protein intake also for egg development. Don't give up yet. There is still time for everything to catch up!!!! About the sperm and cleaning the tubes, have him do that about 5 days before retrieval date and then he has 5 days until his sample is needed!!!! My friend that is pregnant from IVF was having her cycle canceled 2 days before retrieval but things were alright and they went ahead so it is that close a call!!!! Nerve wrecking I know!!!! About health care no it is not free at all here. Very low income earners or those out of work get a medical card which entitles them to free health care but that is a small percentage. Does not include IVF or fertility treatments!!!Any one working has to pay for health care.Most try to have health insurance as private health care is expensive!!!!

Intrigue ah thanks. I missed chatting too but was trying hard to stay free from all of ttc topics but it didn't stop me thinking of you gals!!!! I actually had to check fertility friend from last month there to see when I got AF last month!!!! SO WEIRD FOR ME!!!! It was nice though!!!!! Of course I didn't stop thinking about IVF and all that is ahead!!!!
You are ahead of me in Nov as I won't be starting meds till around the 14th so it will be end of the month for retrieval for me...You'll be getting your BFP by the time I am having my eggs sucked out!!!! Wink Wink I think the writing the egg number on your hand is great if you have eggs but so hard if you have none!!! Imagine the disappointment after goin through all that!!!! I know it is a possibility we all have to prepare ourselves for but soooooooo hard if we are that unlucky!! You are so close too.... That is good to know about the morph results as I don't know an awful lot about it!!!! We don't sound too bad!!!!

Diane Oh but men are just so weird sometimes!!!! Still even though some were dead there was enough there to do damage!!!! Good luck today with the IUI. I really hope it works!!!! FX for you!!! Glad to hear that you have them well cleared out by now!!!! Wink Wink

AFM well I guess I am lucky that is costs half here.I didn't realise that i was double the cost in America and Australia. That is totally exploiting those that are so vulnerable!!!! I guess 4500 euro isn't half as bad as there. I still think it is so expensive here. We will have to pay 800 more if we have eggs to freeze. I thought it was about 6000-7000dollars there. Wow..
I am very happy with the scans and protocols here and it will be nice to have DH there all the way...I guess they are thorough anyway!!!
I got my script for meds today and I am on the short cycle!!! YAY...I have to ring tomorrow to ask to be put on the November list for ivf as I think they want me to start in Oct but I just don't want to bring injections on holidays with me. I just want a few weeks to myself. Thing is if November is booked out with numbers I will have to wait until January as they will not start a cycle in Dec as they close for Christmas so cannot scan or do any of the necessary procedures...If that is the case I may just go ahead!!!! I am just hoping that I can wait until November!!! Any advice welcome!!! Don't think I can hold out till January or maybe what is to be will be!!!!

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Intrigue - That IS frustrating about how they schedule the scans and if you aren't ready you can miss the boat and get a canceled cycle! I thought my RE was bad, but at least they are good about that part. ANd yes they did up my meds, I'm as high as you can go now, they didn't think I'd need this much to respond since I'm still young enough but the endo throws things off.

Diane - 1st off, how was your IUI? I hope you are resting and making that little bean stick and stay! Oh what a 2ww you are in for... I wish we had time, I'd TOTALLY buy your Gonal-F and Menopur off of you but I'd need them so soon that I don't think it would work and how would you ship them? I wonder if you have to notify the post of anything. I just had to buy more menopur yesterday $250 worth and that only lasts through tonight, tomorrow I have to buy more again! It's so expensive!! But won't you need it for the next cycle? If you have a next cycle that is, let's hope the IUI worked! FX!

Molls - Thanks dear. I have to remember all of that, the follies grow quickly so they still have time. And I have been doing the hot water bottle but will make sure I do it every night or more. and thanks for the advice about the sperm, That's good to know as I want his swimmers in tip top shape. Thanks for the reminder about your friend too, it's so good to know it's still possible for me. That's interesting about health care, it's pretty much the same as here, well besides how much they charge for things, the US really is known for having the highest medical costs, I guess thats why a lot of people go to Mexico or Thailand to get medical procedures done. For me if I have any eggs to freeze it's an additional $1,100, so it seems like they overcharge for everything here sheesh!!! So exciting you got your meds and are on the short cycle! DId you call yet? I hope they got you in for November, if not and they are going to make you wait until January I don't know if I could do it. I know you want and deserve a holiday without meds but if that was my choice I think I'd just bring the meds with me and still start in October rather than wait until January. The side effects aren't bad (i'll explain more below) and so it would still be enjoyable for you.

AFM - Ok ladies so It turns out my early side effects were not actually side effects but AF, symptoms just a little stronger that usual for me, and a stomach flu! I just found out because when I finally got to talk with me RE she told me that the flu was going around her office and that I probably got it from there! Sheesh! So please don't worry that your meds will give you bad side effects because I had a rare experience. ANd I have been feeling pretty good the past few days.
They upped my meds to the highest dose a couple days ago, they didn't think they'd need to do this for a woman in her 30's but my Endo makes things difficult. Bummer is I have to keep buying more Menopur which they charge me $75 per bottle and that is adding up quickly! But there is good news, kindof... My scan today showed that my 6 follicles are continuing to grow and most are at 11 and 12, plus some smaller ones came through in my left ovary, they are behind but MAY catch up, they were 8's and 9's. Best case scenario I would have 12 follicles/ eggs, worst case 6 follicles and maybe 2 -3 eggs, so my RE doesn't want to cancel and we are moving forward. Another bloodtest and scan tomorrow and probably Friday as well, and hopefully retrieval by early next week.
Now I have a question for Diane and everyone... Have any of you actually had much face to face time with your RE / FS? I am having a hard time with mine, All she does is come in to do the scan and leaves without saying more than a few words to her nurses. The only people I ever communicate with are the nurses, who are all great but I'd love to know what the specialist is thinking and talk to her. Today DH and I demanded time with her and it was not easy to get it, then she told us that she had nothing to say, no updates to give, to talk to the nurses and that if we wanted to schedule a consult it would be $45-$65 extra!! WHAT? Didn't I just pay her office TONS of money? She told us this is how all IVF clinics do this. We were totally surprised by all of this. I know she has a bit of a rep. for having "poor bedside manner" and all that matters is that she does her job well but still I thought we'd have some time with her. Curious to know if anyone else had / is having a better experience.

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Amber
TTC #1 since 2008
Diagnosed with stage 4 Endometriosis in September 2010
3 failed IVF cycles with local clinic
1 failed cycle at CCRM But we got accepted into their new study so we are trying one last time! FX!
2nd cycle w/CCRM. 3 perfect blasts out of the bunch, xferred 1, BFP!!!!
DS Born June 24th! We are truly blessed.

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Hi! Amber let me know about this group, and I'm new to this forum stuff ~ but really liking the support and information that I see. Earlier this week, I hit a super low point.... crying every time I thought about not being able to get pregnant - even if i was driving, cycling, or at work..... My acupuncturist says that there is no reason it shouldn't happen, but we've been trying for over two years, with no luck so far. Finally committing to IVF, although right now I'm just on the pill and low dose aspirin, waiting for my financial appointment on Friday with Dr. Ratcliffe. My 41 year old hubby has great motility/volume/etc, and other than ovarian cysts, I seem to be in good health too. (the cysts may have been caused by several months of Clomid). I turn 38 next week, and for the first time in my life, am not happy about having a birthday. I've got the "blame" thing going on in my head (too much exposure to chlorine while swimming, didn't start early enough, yaddah yaddah yah) and the "this is SO not fair" other thing.... why do we have to pay $15K or more to have ONE kid? by the way, i totally want twins. hear that universe!?

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Hello Vanessa and Welcome.

I hear you on the twins thing, two for the price of one! Like you say at that price you should get more than one, seems a bit like paying full price for half a bag of chips. I am sorry to hear that you are struggling a little with your TTC journey. You are certainly among understanding friends here. We have all been through the ringer and are as confused as ever. We have good days and bad so you are not alone. Great that your DH spermies are good. Have you had a laparoscopy to check for endometriosis? Have you had a HSG for tubes.. sorry if thats a like 'of course i have' type question.. just trying to get to know you Smile

Amber I am glad to hear you are feeling better, the new dose of meds will work to speed up the growth. About you FS and the time.. I have managed to sit mine down a couple of times but he does a lot of rolling his eyes at me, you see here in Oz its very 'she'll be right mate' just put your tongue to the side and it'll happen. If that doesnt work IVF. So when I go to him asking all sorts of questions about things I learn on here he's like .. your a crazy obsessed women listening to old wifes tales on the internet (not in those words but you know what I mean). But I dont care i ask him anyway. Last time I did the same thing as you I insisted that I had time with him and they say it will cost $85, I say no, he can charge my insurance like he did last time, they say owe that at his discretion, whatever he chooses. I said well you go and get him to choose that and call me back to let me know.. Yay they charged my insurance. Sucks how much we have to drive our own health hey.

Molls I have my hot water bottle ready. You should have seen to look on peoples faces as I went from store to store looking for one... It is literally SOOO hot her now and will get hotter for the next 4 - 5 months. Everyone was like why.. I was like um for the first aid kit, incase we strain a muscle or something, they like but you put cold on strains I was like just give me a water bottle or point me to someone who will... hee hee

Okay so AFM I was supposed to call in my day 1 yesterday. That would be a usual 28 day cycle but as I O'd later I thought I might be a day late. Anyway yesty I started spotting a tiny bit, I called in and explain and ask if I take pill or not, they say wait till today. call in and confirm AF and that I have taken pill.. well last night and today no spotting no AF... So I am confused and a little concerned. You see I'm either pg (extremely unlikely) or I'm going to get AF during the night, this puts me two days behind an already extremely tight schedule (and as I mentioned in my previous post they are NOT flexible) so I dont really know what is going to happen.....

but I guess the confusion only grows from here hey Diane and Amber.

Hey Diane how was the IUI, how is DH? You having a nice time?

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Me 35, DH 44
TTC 5yrs (5yrs previous DH BFN)
Me low AMH @ 8.4 = Low fertility
DH Low S Morphology @ 5% normal = Low fertility
2 x IVF/ICSI.... BFN - bad eggs, advised to use donor eggs.
Gave up and moved on. Then conceived naturally but had missed miscarriage.

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Hi Intrigue! Great questions... I did have a HSG about a year ago - no structural probs, a little congestion in one tube, but it cleared with more dye. They noted the cysts, and did another ultrasound to see if one or the other was "chocolate" (ie endo?) but the results were inconclusive. I was thinking about having exploratory surgery, but kaiser (my medical provider) says that they could remove the cyst, but really could only justify it if it was larger. my FS says not to have the cyst removed as it would also take out eggs and part of my ovaries. i may have endo, are there things i can do to minimize the effects? I don't have symptoms, and my FS has said that surgery that removes it does not improve fert. BTW, have i said that all this chatting is SOOOO helpful?! cuz it totally is!

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Hi Ladies I came on before and did this whole panicked ramble. I have calmed a little now so have deleted. Puzzled

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Me 35, DH 44
TTC 5yrs (5yrs previous DH BFN)
Me low AMH @ 8.4 = Low fertility
DH Low S Morphology @ 5% normal = Low fertility
2 x IVF/ICSI.... BFN - bad eggs, advised to use donor eggs.
Gave up and moved on. Then conceived naturally but had missed miscarriage.

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Hello Vanessa, I believe there are things (suppliments I think) that can aid in endometriosis. I have stumpled upon info in the past but didnt pay enough attention to be able to help (right at this moment). I do have some endo but it was removed earlier this year via a laparoscopy... Here in Oz they do seem to think this removal helps but it does grow back after 6 months or so, so the benefits are short term.

Amber how are you getting on?

I have had such a confusing week and a shocking day. I had no red all night so you can imagine my excitement building by the time I went to bed last night. This morning I had some red (thought this is AF) so took my bc pill and called in my day 1 but then no more... all day... I did do a HPT BFN but I am now in a stange limbo place. I am apparently not pg but I am not bleeding either, now add taking bc pill to the mix.

Mind and body very confused.. just hope it all pans out okay cause the IVF nurse I called to talk about it was anything but helpful.

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Me 35, DH 44
TTC 5yrs (5yrs previous DH BFN)
Me low AMH @ 8.4 = Low fertility
DH Low S Morphology @ 5% normal = Low fertility
2 x IVF/ICSI.... BFN - bad eggs, advised to use donor eggs.
Gave up and moved on. Then conceived naturally but had missed miscarriage.

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HI Vanessa - Welcome! So glad you joined, this is a wonderful supportive group. Have you read through some of the past posts? Sometimes that's good to do. It's good to learn more about your situation, you may have low grade Endo, it's such a strange disease since it's so hard to diagnose (unless it's really bad) without surgery, but the surgery can actually cause damage, I was told the same thing, that I shouldn't have anything removed before IVF that it would decrease the chances for more eggs so that's when I went to acupuncture to try and calm it down while I saved up for IVF. Acup was great and with the herbs it really helped my endo however I had to stop them to do IVF. Pregnancy can often put Endo into remission so as of now this is my whole plan. If I were you I would just move forward with the IVF as planned as you can't do much about the endo while you are going through IVF with all the meds etc. Just hope IVF works for you and you never have to worry about it again. I totally have had the same thoughts about my infertility, why couldn't I have just started trying earlier? And I was using B/C all those years! but honestly it's probably genetic in my case and there's not much I could have done. It's hard to come to terms with that. Oh and I totally want twins too! FX for twins for us both! So how was your appt. with the RE today? I know I felt overwhelmed, just know that it isn't so bad, just deal with it one step at a time. BTW since you are new here this may help, I was totally lost by some of the lingo on here at first Smile http://www.ovulation-calculator.com/content/ttc-acronyms

Intrigue - Wow good (and bad) to know that things are similar there with face to face time with the FS, so odd how we can spend so much money and never see them unless we pay extra! Sorry I missed your panicked ramble, I hope you are doing better now. But Sheesh, you are going through the same exact thing I went through with AF and starting the pill! It was like the one time I wanted her to show she wouldn't! It was even worse for me at the end, when I wanted to start on my stims remember? And it all has to fit into their schedule or you have to start over! Stinks! But I will tell you that even with all my confusion with AF etc. I still got to move forward and got to this point so I think you will be just fine.

Diana - I'm dying to know how IUI went and how you are feeling, I know it's your 2ww and you probably are trying not to get hopes up but let us know how you are when you get a sec.

Molls - where'd you go? Are you in France already? What happened with your IVF schedule? Oct? Jan? inquiring minds want to know Smile

AFM - I had another scan and blood test yesterday, I've gone in almost every day this week, I had one follie at 15 and 6 more close behind, my left ovary is still behind so they are keeping me on the gonal f and menopur (yes more money spent on extra menopur!) for two more days (so far) but they have started me on the ganerelix which stops me from ovulating, that goes in the tummy. So now I take stims and night and meds to stop LH in the morning. Tomorrow I have another appt. to see if we can stop the meds and when the trigger will be, my retrieval should be Monday if all goes well, Tuesday if things are slow... AHHHH I'm excited and anxious!!!

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Amber
TTC #1 since 2008
Diagnosed with stage 4 Endometriosis in September 2010
3 failed IVF cycles with local clinic
1 failed cycle at CCRM But we got accepted into their new study so we are trying one last time! FX!
2nd cycle w/CCRM. 3 perfect blasts out of the bunch, xferred 1, BFP!!!!
DS Born June 24th! We are truly blessed.