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Intrigue _ Thanks for your support. You know I found a website with IVF success stories a few days ago and I was surprised at how many of them only had one round of IVF and had healthy babies now. Those are the stories I need to read right now. I think I have a good balance between being positive and realistic right now, and now that AF is on her way out I am feeling a bit better and not quite as overwhelmed. And once we started the meds we realized that it wasn't quite as bad as we though, plus everything was written down, plus the DRs were on standby by phone so it's been fine.
You are so right, we just do what we can. I have to hold on to the fact that if it doesn't work for some reason at least we did all we could and I will have to let go. As for the psychics one thing I have been thinking is it possible that maybe they were talking about with the 1st one failing was a chemical or something like that that you may have had before? Also I have a friend who goes to a psychic and she once told her that sometimes psychics will tell you what you need to hear to let go, then when something good comes up you can appreciate it more, and won't be expecting it to happen when other factors can change the outcome anyway. so you never know...

AFM - AF came only hours late, I talked to my IVF clinic and they were ok with moving forward on schedule so I started stimulating the first day of AF and that sucked I tell you!! today is day 3, we switch from the super stim. to a lower dose tonight and I'm so happy about that as I have had some nasty side effects. I can sort out what is from AF and what is from the drugs because due to the endo. I always have awful AF symptoms before, during and after AF and since I can't take Advil while on these meds (the Tylenol isn't cutting it) I feel the symptoms more. But so far I have had Major cramping, headache, nausea, fatigue, night sweats, dizziness, welts at the injection sites and a high fever, of course I typically have all of those symptoms with AF, with the exception of the last 2, just not as bad as they are. You should see my welt from the first injection, 2 days later and it's still the size of a plum bright red and hard! Yuck! The 2nd injection is better.
Some pointers I have learned already that the DRs didn't tell me. Try to take sometime off after the 1st injections so that if you are feverish, nauseous etc. you can get it under control. Stock up on bland brat diet foods for nausea and dried fruit like prunes and apricots for constipation. Inject higher up on the butt as there is no way to sit on the injection site, its too painful. Make sure you massage and apply heat to the injection site, right after you get injected, I didn't do this for the 1st injection and it's still swollen and painful but I did for the 2nd injection and if feels 90% better! Keep your hot water bottle handy and stock up on extra strength tylenol, I don't like to take pain relievers unless I really need them and Tylenol doesn't usually work for me but it has been a life saver, reduced my fever and lessened the headache a cramps so they are tolerable so I can sleep. I didn't think I'd have many side effects but I am surprised, still they are tolerable and I hope that you guys will be better off than me. I go tomorrow for another blood test to make sure I'm not being over or under stimulated.

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Amber
TTC #1 since 2008
Diagnosed with stage 4 Endometriosis in September 2010
3 failed IVF cycles with local clinic
1 failed cycle at CCRM But we got accepted into their new study so we are trying one last time! FX!
2nd cycle w/CCRM. 3 perfect blasts out of the bunch, xferred 1, BFP!!!!
DS Born June 24th! We are truly blessed.

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Wow thanks Amber. Aweful to hear you are having a bit of a hard time of it you must feel just aweful. And I cant believe you have a plum on your injection site, I hadnt even contemplated that sort of stuff yet so your tips are going to be most helpful.
I really hope your appt goes well and that you start to feel better soon.

(The bit I am worried about is how 'heavy' our ovaries are going to get, thats going to feel sooo weird and sore I bet).

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Me 35, DH 44
TTC 5yrs (5yrs previous DH BFN)
Me low AMH @ 8.4 = Low fertility
DH Low S Morphology @ 5% normal = Low fertility
2 x IVF/ICSI.... BFN - bad eggs, advised to use donor eggs.
Gave up and moved on. Then conceived naturally but had missed miscarriage.

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Hi Ladies.
I am so sorry I haven't being on in a while but I am just trying to take this month off and I have not being obsessed with ttc which is a nice change!!!

Amber wow you are really on your way!!!! I cannot believe that ye have to make up the injections. The ones we use here are all pre filled syringe and the are injected just under the skin and you inject the tummy. They are very similar to insulin injections and some are even in a pen. I have a little bruising when on them for induction but that was it. I had no side affects except that the ovulation pain was a little stronger but I was only taking them for 4 days of the cycle instead of 8 or more and probably not as strong a dose!!!! I am really sorry to hear that you are having such bad side affects. When is your first scan???

Intrigue I am delighted to hear that you have made a decision on starting IVF!!! I know it wasn't nice to be forced into making that decision quicker than you would have liked but when you are pregnant by Christmas it will be worth it all!!!! I haven't being on holidays yet. We are going next Sunday the 16th. I cannot wait to get away!!!! I am not doing birth control as we don't do that here. I just start the meds on day 2 or 3 of my cycle!!! I am due to get AF mid November so that is when I start. When are you starting your cycle???We will be very close together!!!! I know it is a very tough time. Emotions are all over the place!!!! It is a very hard decision to make. I think once it is made though it gets a little exciting!!!! The closest I am getting to pregnancy anyway!!!

Diane I really hope that IUI works this time and that the results are much better!!! Fx for you.

I had my IVF talk last Tuesday. It scared the s**t out of me. Talk about information overload. However I found out that they will transfer 2 embryos if we are lucky enough to have two so that should increase our chances!!!! I was happy to hear that...I am still awaiting my prescription from the FS. Also they discussed transferring the embryo back on day 2-5. They said that the uterus is the best place for the embryo but also said getting to day 5, it is a blastocyst so increases the chances even further so they will monitor them and transfer them when they can. If they look like they cannot make it to day 5 they transfer them earlier to give them some chance. If they are strong enough they will leave them to day 5...It is all very unsure isn't it??? We may be going for ICSI too. It depends on the sperm sample on the day. We only found out at our meeting with a nurse on Tuesday that his morphology was 15% which is normal but borderline so if it is lower on the day they will do ICSI. I can't believe that they didn't tell us that before!!!!

I know how we all put our heart and savings into this attempt of ivf but hope is so important!!!! Keep positive and if it doesn't work you will find a way to try again.It is crazy how we will find a way if we have too. We have no more money left now as we have paid the fees!!!!

Remember my friend that got pregnant from IVf a few weeks ago, she had her scan at 7 weeks last Wed and found out she is having twins...Isn't that amazing!!!! She is over the moon. That was a day 3 transfer!!!! Her day 5 failed before!!! Also her Dh morphology was only .4% so it really can happen. Just keep positive ladies!!!! I am just so happy for her as she has being through so much and is such a fantastic person. She has also being a rock to me with all of this.

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Intrigue - Thanks for your concern, I'm doing much better today and honestly I can't say how many of my symptoms were from AF and how many were from the meds. Now that AF is gone I'm feeling better, plus I'm sure being on the new lower dose helps too. They test a lot at my clinic to make sure that our ovaries aren't over stimulated, I can deal with cramping, welts etc. as long as its not more serious and as long as I don't have a canceled cycle. I'm sure you will probably handle the meds a lot better, my endo causes a lot of issues for me.

Molls - it's always nice to hear from you but no worries about taking a break. I have had to do that in the past, it is much needed from time to time. I will use some pre-mixed meds, and a pen for some of them too, and some shots are given in the belly. I think all clinics do things differently and since you are in another country things will be quite different, honestly I wish I were having my IVF done there but I will take what I can get and try to have faith in my IVF clinic. Isn't it amazing how much the statistics change if you do 2 embryos! I'm hoping that means BFPs for us all since we will be transferring 2! You sure are right, the whole cycle schedule is up in the air until the very end, it all depends on how we do with the meds and how the embryos do once they are out. I think my transfer will fall on day 3 no matter what, my RE doesn't seem to wait for day 5. You have to do ICSI too? That adds more to the fees doesn't it? Ahhh it all adds up so quick to be so much! Thanks for the hopeful reminders! I read some IVF success stories the other day that made me feel better, most of them were successful on the 1st attemp. FX for all of us!!!

Diane - how are you doing? I know your IUI is coming up too! I would love to know more about how your first IVF cycle went, did you have any side effects?

AFM - I wanted to add a bit. Sorry in advance if a I'm redundant on some of this. I'm feeling much better today, still a bit dizzy and weak but that may be because I have been nausea and not very hungry, also had bad night sweats last night but I'll take tha over cramping and a fever. I think a lot of my side effects were from my AF, and being stimulated at the same time as starting AF. Because of my Endo. I have bad AF symptoms so aside from the welts, and fever and night sweats most of my symptoms were pretty typical for me this time of the month, they're just not usually that bad. My RE also told me that I have small ovaries so she wanted to stimulate me a lot at the beginning to prime them. I know all clinics do things differently, Molls experience sounds like it will be quite different. But just FYI I was on 2 Repronex and 300 iu Gonal-F, now on 1 Menopur and 300 iu of Gonal-F, I got my blood drawn today to see if that dosage will change for the next few days or not. I have my next scan and blood test on Monday to see how everything is going then by the end of next week RETRIEVAL! It's amazing how quickly this is all going now that I'm at this point. It's definitely worth all I'm going through to give this a good shot. Also only some of my shots are ones that we have to mix ourselves, I will also use the Gonal-F pen, and not all shots are into the bum muscle, we do some shots into the belly. It's hard to know how much of this is because of the grant I was given for the meds, I'm sure that changes some of it. Ok I'll check back in with you all and bore you with many more details once I know more. Wink

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Amber
TTC #1 since 2008
Diagnosed with stage 4 Endometriosis in September 2010
3 failed IVF cycles with local clinic
1 failed cycle at CCRM But we got accepted into their new study so we are trying one last time! FX!
2nd cycle w/CCRM. 3 perfect blasts out of the bunch, xferred 1, BFP!!!!
DS Born June 24th! We are truly blessed.

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Wow Amber retrieval by the end of the week!!!! I am so excited for you and so hopeful!!!! You really have such a hard AF. Lets just hope that was the last one for about 9 months Wink Wink Wink . I know every country is different I just can't believe that it is so different as we are all having the same thing. They used to use the make up ones here but haven't in a few years. I know that the bum injections are painful. Here you cannot get family to give them only a medical health professional so if we still used them we would have to attend a clinic daily!!!! Well done to DH for taking it on board!!!! Not an easy task for him I am sure. I know it doesn't matter what the meds entail once we get the positive results we so desperately want!!!
Hope you have excellent results at your scan tomorrow. Even if it isn't as you hope remember that they scan you to make sure all is okay and if not they can tweak your meds so don't be down if they need to up it.How is DH bearing up???Have you some time off for all of this???

About ICSI we are not down for ICSI as DH result is within the normal limits but we were told if the sample on the day isn't as good we may need it. They will decide when they see his sample on the day!!!! As we stand we are just down for IVF. It will be 300 euro more if we need ICSI. The cycle here for normal IVF is 4500 euro so whats another 300??? Crazy Crazy . Some times a sperm sample quality can be down depending on circumstances...Like if he has a cold or is sick...I don't mind another 300 euro if it gives us the best shot!!!! I just want it to work..
Good luck tomorrow and stay positive, remember that is so important!!! My now pregnant friend from IVF had the worst cycle ever and they were canceling it 2 days before retrieval but gave her one last day and it worked a treat so always keep in mind that it is a very unsure cycle from start to finish!!!!

I am not as scared anymore about retrieval. Here we have a drip of pethidine and valium to relax us so apparently we get quite sleepy and groggy. DH sits with me for the whole procedure and they immediately hand the fluid form the follicle to the embryologist who checks it immediately and they shout egg if one is present so we know from one follicle to the next how we are getting on. I probably won't hear too much with the drugs but DH will be counting!!!! I told him he doesn't have to be there but he really wants to be so I guess I am glad about that!!!! I am ready now for this cycle... Roll on November!!!!

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Hi Ladies,

Amber, glad to hear you are feeling better and appear to be on a roll with the injections. I cant believe you egg retrieval is end of THIS week. Its here its happening. wont be long now till you have fertilised eggs in your uterus. WOW what a feeling... talk about and emotional rollercoaster.. owe I was wondering how your moods are with all the hormones, but will all your pain and discomfort you probably havent had time to notice.

Molls, good to see you back. I missed you! I wouldnt worry at all about DH morphology results. All my research says 15 is good but it is nice to know they will consider ICSI is they feel it will give you a better chance on the day. my DH morphology is only like 5 - 7% even then the FS say he will only do ISCI if he needs too. I personally just want them to do it cause I want the best chance possible but I have to trust them (I do kinda like the idea of allowing some form of natural selection i.e. standard IVF).

I love that we are able to share our differing treatment stories. I will be starting my b/c pills on Wednesday (providing AF is on schedule). I take those for close to 21 days before the injections begin. My egg retreival should be Nov 21. I dont know my meds yet, they did tell me at one stage but I forgot, they will give me a list as of Wednesday when I hand over close to $13,000... ouch! (yay for home loans). As I will be under for the egg retreival here in OZ they right the number of eggs on you hand so that you can see when you wake up. If there are no eggs nothing is on your hand (god forbit that happen, the nurses say these women experience an intense form of loss/grief, I guess it goes the other way though, such relieve when you see there IS a number there). We dont seem to do as much scanning and monitoring either which displeases me. Only two scans one on day 7, one of day 12 then EPU day 14.

Okay better go, growth vibes being sent to Ambers eggies.

Hello Diane and Aimie

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Me 35, DH 44
TTC 5yrs (5yrs previous DH BFN)
Me low AMH @ 8.4 = Low fertility
DH Low S Morphology @ 5% normal = Low fertility
2 x IVF/ICSI.... BFN - bad eggs, advised to use donor eggs.
Gave up and moved on. Then conceived naturally but had missed miscarriage.

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Amber-OMG! retrieval next week. Prayers!Prayers!
How many follicles are they tracking? Its quality not quantity. So you are going to put two back? I am so excited for you. Sorry about the discomfort. I major Lupron headaches and oh yeah really bad mood swings. I almost cursed my boss out and quit my job during my IVF cycle.LOL!!!
Just rest, relax and have positive thoughts. You really are in the home stretch. The medication part will be over before you know it.
Intrigue-GL in November. You will do fine. I really did look at my IVF cycle as a big experiment because I would be able to know about the quality of my eggs and his sperm.

AFM- I am just so proud and excited for you all. Its a tough thing to go through and it is a sorrority that you never want to join but it really increases your chances of conception. I hope you guys get a BFP the first time.
Okay so I am so mad at my husband. He forgot to drop a load and clean his pipes out before he went to the sperm bank which he was supposed to do before he got on the plane home. Because the appointment was litterally the next day after he returned home because he got home later than expected. So his count was 540 million and yes most were dead. So there aren only 54 million that were even good. Ugh!!! he is going back tomorrow. His pipes have now been thoroughly cleaned Big smile but it has put a kink in our love making so to speak because we haven't been able do much but I ovulate this week so he has plenty of time and the IUI should be Wednesday.

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Owe Diane sometimes they just dont get it do they.

One day I came home (it was one of those days and he knew he had to perform). I said 'honey how are your boys today' he said 'they are great I just gave them and extra hot bathing so they all warm and ready'. Shock

AF due tomorrow or Thursday so had my last drink last night (boo hoo) perparing bc script and funds today, only 3 more weeks of waiting and injections here we come.

Amber how are you feeling today?

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Me 35, DH 44
TTC 5yrs (5yrs previous DH BFN)
Me low AMH @ 8.4 = Low fertility
DH Low S Morphology @ 5% normal = Low fertility
2 x IVF/ICSI.... BFN - bad eggs, advised to use donor eggs.
Gave up and moved on. Then conceived naturally but had missed miscarriage.

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Molls - LOL! I'm hoping no AF for me for a year+!!! My friend hasn't had AF in over 3 yrs due to being PG, then breast feeding, lucky b*%ch! You know I would feel more comfortable if a professional gave me my injections, of course DH is doing great but I think it's such a big thing that can be so easily messed up & they put it in our hands? DH is doing great, he's been so wonderful & patient... so far! How is your DH? is he ready? And yes we have time off right now, it's good & bad as we could use the money but we need this time. Thanks for your sweet words about my appt. you must have known somehow that it wouldn't be a perfect appt. more about that below. Wow it's much less expensive to do IVF there, I knew it would be & all other health care is free right? Plus I like the way they do a lot of things better, like let DH stay in the room with you, you aren't put under, they tell you the egg count at the time, they do injections for you etc. Ugh it makes me want to move there! I have only ever visited France, London and Bath, I loved them all but Bath reminded me of home, Northen California & I could see myself living there Smile maybe one day...

Intrigue - well I may have spoke too soon about retrieval this week as today's appt. didn't go quite as planned. more about it below. I have has some mood swings, been a little irritable etc. but I'd say no more than when I have PMS, just tired really & crampy in my ovaries. Not bad. I'll take it if it means baby Smile YAY for you, you are almost there, the 1st step, I know for me I was hoping to get AF so that I could start, it was a weird feeling! It will go by so quickly now, it's exciting! I like the way they do the egg count there, by writing it on your hand, you know right away! As far as I know, I won't know until the next day, it will seem like forever! Thanks so much for your good vibes, you are a dear!

Diane - Good to hear from you! Thanks so much for your sweet words and support. I hope you're right, about the quality not quantity thing, it's not looking good but it's early so I'm still hopeful. It's funny how the meds effect us all differently, I do have some irritability but it's not too bad, not yet at least. & That's too much about you and your boss Smile That's funny and annoying about DH! I didn't even know they were supposed to clean their pipes beforehand! My paperwork says no sex etc. for 3 days before the sample is given, when do they clean them? Well either way I'm glad they got some swimmers & that they will go another round & get more. So your IUI is Wednesday as in day after tomorrow?!?! I'm so excited for you! I will be sending positive thoughts your way, good luck!!! FX! FX! FX!

AFM - Well ladies I spoke too soon on the retrieval timing it looks like, it may be pushed out a couple days. The scan today didn't go great, it was ok but not great. Not only were my follicles small, I'm responding much slower than they expected, but I only have follicles maturing in my right ovary! & there are only 6 of them! I know Diane said quality not quantity and thanks for reminding me of that. I just wonder when do we say maybe this cycle should be canceled and try again later, how low should the numbers be? The weird thing is my right ovary is the one with the endometrioma cyst in it, my left ovary is encased in scar tissue but we still thought it would function, things are worse than we thought. Oh Plus my lining was only 2mm! That being said I'm still staying positive because it is early & I am responding to the meds. They usually don't even do a scan so early in the cycle but I have a lot going on so they want to check up often. I go back for another scan Wednesday and we hope to see a lot of progress then, if not we will have to decide what to do but I am staying hopeful that it will be good news on Wednesday! Only problem with this delay is that it means more money, since I don't have enough meds, I'll have to pay for them out of pocket. It's all so expensive! ANd like intrigue our fees are nearly double Molls, and that's with the grant! ARRG! All else is good. Feeling fine, no side effects really, just tired, a little grumpy and crampy near my ovaries but it's not bad.

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Amber
TTC #1 since 2008
Diagnosed with stage 4 Endometriosis in September 2010
3 failed IVF cycles with local clinic
1 failed cycle at CCRM But we got accepted into their new study so we are trying one last time! FX!
2nd cycle w/CCRM. 3 perfect blasts out of the bunch, xferred 1, BFP!!!!
DS Born June 24th! We are truly blessed.

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Owe Amber, no wonder you feel a bit crabby. I would too after your scan. It sounds scary and I can totally understand your worry (I would prolly want to punch something). I have however read lots of stories about women who were not responding well and cycles almost being cancelled and then whalla all of a sudden the body plays the game, quickly, and its all goes according to plan.. I will keep my fingers and toes crossed this happens for you.. but will also empathise and acknowledge that nothing about this process is easy. I have also read it is common for the cycle not to go according to planned timelines so try not to get to unsettled if you end up doing the EPU later than expected.

I second your comments about the seemingly lucky Molls, although I find it hard to think anyone going through this is lucky. I like that they do so many scans and that they are flexible to fit in the ladies cycle. My guys are so structured that if my eggies arent ready at the time of my booking then its a cancellation for me. I think I may have one option to delay if needed but then it takes away the option of a day 5 transfer.. so frustrating.

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Me 35, DH 44
TTC 5yrs (5yrs previous DH BFN)
Me low AMH @ 8.4 = Low fertility
DH Low S Morphology @ 5% normal = Low fertility
2 x IVF/ICSI.... BFN - bad eggs, advised to use donor eggs.
Gave up and moved on. Then conceived naturally but had missed miscarriage.