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Intrigue thank you for your kind words of encouragement!!!! I am feeling a little better about the whole IVF thing!!!! I still hate the thoughts of all the drugs and invasive procedures but hey it's where my life has lead me too so no point crying about it. Look whenever you do decide to start your cycle we will all be here to support but I think if you are really unsure and go ahead your body may react to those feelings making it impossible to have a successful cycle so take the time to get ready and then go for it. It is such a huge and hard decision to make but unfortunately one we are faced with now!!!!

Amber wow a big day for you Tuesday week!!! I am so happy that you are there already. I am so positive that no woman goes through IVF without feeling all the negative and scary emotions that I am going through but I think I am nearly out the other side now and getting excited with the prospect of maybe being pregnant by Christmas!!! That would be the best present ever!!! I know that statistics aren't promising about the first cycle but hey it does happen so keep that in mind!!! I suppose they do not know how we are going to respond to the drugs so they have a bit of trial and error too!!! I know off 2 women who got pregnant after the first time so keep that in mind!!! I am now with a new acupuncturist and she got pregnant with her second round so it does depend!!! I have also heard that acupuncture the day before retrieval and both before and after transfer( same day) really increases your chances so it is worth thinking about!!! I am planning on doing that now. Every little helps and if I can help push it along I will. Apparently acupuncture on the above days increases your chances by 10-20% so maybe look into that!!!

Diane that is a great story about your friend.I am thrilled to here that. I do think 2 is the best chance so I will be opting for that!!!! Don't know yet if they will allow me here but will know more after meeting next week.

I am really finding it strange not to be temping and thinking about what cycle day I am on!!! I actually had to count there to see what day I am.That has not happened in a while. I am delighted to be free for a while!!! I/we have decided to bd every second day from day 12 to day 16 so will do that just in case it might happen!!! There is always hope!!!! I am not expecting miracles but I cannot just stop!!! However we will be in France on hols when af is due so won't be testing early or even thinking about it!!!! I hope. Wink Wink

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Elizabeth - Thanks for the book recommendation, I'll look into it!

Molls - I know wouldn't being PG over the holidays just be such a wonderful gift and blessing, I am so hopeful for this for us both! That's great you are with a new acupuncturist, do you like her/ How neat she went through IVF and can answer your questions about it. I am DEFINITELY doing acupuncture on the day of transfer right before and after, I have already arranged this with the IVF clinic and my acupuncturist, I will also try my best to do acup. the day before my transfer, since the actual transfer day is unknown until we see how I respond I won't be able to make that appt. until that day and I'm worried my Acup. may be closed but she may fit me in. We'll see. ANYTHING that can help. Which brings me to my next question...

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TTC #1 since 2008
Diagnosed with stage 4 Endometriosis in September 2010
3 failed IVF cycles with local clinic
1 failed cycle at CCRM But we got accepted into their new study so we are trying one last time! FX!
2nd cycle w/CCRM. 3 perfect blasts out of the bunch, xferred 1, BFP!!!!
DS Born June 24th! We are truly blessed.

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For all you ladies I need some input - My acupuncturist is wonderful, she's really been great, And I trust her. She told me that she has never had a patient that she's been treating who has had IVF that it didn't work for and who hasn't delivered a healthy baby, she also told me that she has never had a patient miscarry. She wants to put me on herbs a few days before the transfer( to help my uterus accept the embryo), different herbs right after the transfer (the help the embryo stick) and again more different herbs when I get pregnant (to avoid miscarriage). As I said I do trust her but I worry about possibly messing up something with the IVF hormones I will be on. My RE told me absolutely NO herbs before extraction but she hasn't been clear about whether I can be on herbs around the transfer, plus I have heard that certain herbs are actually good for IVF and can help chances just as long as they aren't hormone balancing / pituitary glad herbs, such as chaste or maca. Any advice?

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Amber
TTC #1 since 2008
Diagnosed with stage 4 Endometriosis in September 2010
3 failed IVF cycles with local clinic
1 failed cycle at CCRM But we got accepted into their new study so we are trying one last time! FX!
2nd cycle w/CCRM. 3 perfect blasts out of the bunch, xferred 1, BFP!!!!
DS Born June 24th! We are truly blessed.

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Hello Ladies,

Amber I am sorry that I dont think I can help with your question although I can totally empathise with how you must be feeling about this. I guess if I were you I would have a chat with my FS, maybe even get the accupuncturist to talk with him/her about the types of herbs they plan on using. I know the FS wont be keen on it, but if they can say they dont think it will do any harm then I'd go for it. If the FS cant say that then I am really not sure what I would do.... part of me says, her record sounds awesome and you trust her go for it but then the skeptic is a little worried about acupunture herbs because its not a perfect science, most have limited technical skills (no degrees in chinese medicine etc) and many of the herbs effects are a little unknown (more believed than proven). Sorry I not much help.. I was offered a similar situation by my acp and I opted against (mainly because his extreme confidence was off putting to me.. how could he possibly be so sure, he was also rather anti IVF) and I was put off that he would not tell me what herbs were in his blend.

Hi Molls, I am not really any further down my path. Still no word on the clinic lease situation so still a bit in limbo. Went off to a psychic festival on the weekend (yer clutching at straws) had two readings. The first lady using my palm said I would have 3 pregnancies, the first would be a near miss. There would then be 2 girls. The second lady started by saying there are 3 pregnancies and 2 children (one is irritable) when I said I do not have any children, she started on the cards, she say your wish be granted it will happen in 2 (2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years) she then went on the reading but near the end I asked if she saw any children for me and she said NO... They so confusing hey (she did pick up on, one hormone being deficent etc and said they missing something there with your hormones).
During the card reading the last card was the FOOL (fools run in 'so to speak' so she say dont rush in it seems good but maybe time is needed.. not ness about IVF could be other but who knows). On one had she say you will need IVF on the other she says wait for the effects of the Lapro to work.. grr.

Owe I gotta run... Hi Diane, Hi Aimie

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Me 35, DH 44
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Me low AMH @ 8.4 = Low fertility
DH Low S Morphology @ 5% normal = Low fertility
2 x IVF/ICSI.... BFN - bad eggs, advised to use donor eggs.
Gave up and moved on. Then conceived naturally but had missed miscarriage.

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Amber- You have to go with your gut. My accupuncturist did not offer any herbs but it depends on what she is working on with you. Do what ever makes you happy and have no regrets. If you take the herbs and the IVF doesn't work will you blame yourself and your accupuncturist? If you don't take the herbs and the cycle doesn't work will you regret it. On the Natural fertility info website they said that you should stop anything that might interfer with stims like Maca root, Vitex, Royal Jelly, and Damiana because these are working with your body to achieve hormonal balance, and stiming is the complete opposite. You can't even take Vitex with Clomid. What are the herbs your accupuncturist is asking you to take? I stopped any supplements when I went on birthcontrol in order to quiet my body. However, I will be back on clomid next week for IUI and I plan to continue everything. Because I am trying to build my body back up for IVF in January.

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Intrigue - Thanks! I am going to see my acupuncturist this week and I will either ask the names of the herbs (may be a long list) or see if she can call me RE directly. I have a feeling they won't be into it and if that's the case I won't do it. I agree that it's not a perfect science and it makes me worry so I'm leaning towards just doing acup. since that is proven to help. I think it's ridiculous that your Acup. was anti IVF! I mean a lot of people go to get Acup. for fertility and if it doesn't work then what. I'm so glad my acup. is so helpful and encouraging with IVF, she really is great but I must say I have to put my whole faith in the RE right now, the acup. is mostly for support. Are you going to find a new acup.?
That's so odd about the fortune tellers, you'd think they would be consistent from the beginning of the reading to the end at least, but since both said 2 babies I'd stick with that! and that's WONDERFUL! I haven't been to a professional but I have a friend and a family member who both say they see two kids for me, one is adamant about twins, a boy and a girl. I would love that! I hope they know what they are talking about.

Diane - Thanks so much for the info. I don't know what the herbs are,s he hasn't told me yet but I will ask her this week and try to get a list of the herb blends to send to the RE. I think that's a good first step. I too stopped all of the herbs I was on when I went on the BC pill, I had planned on not taking anything at all for the full duration of IVF and Pregnancy so I may stick with that unless my RE says they are harmless, but I kind of doubt that. That's exciting you are going back on the clomid soon, great to have an IUI to look forward to! FX it works for you and your body got whipped into shape to know what it's doing and how to hold onto the embryo now. That's what happened with my aunt, it was like her body had to learn, she had problems but after her first full term Pregnancy she got PG easily with no issues. Hope that happens for you.

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TTC #1 since 2008
Diagnosed with stage 4 Endometriosis in September 2010
3 failed IVF cycles with local clinic
1 failed cycle at CCRM But we got accepted into their new study so we are trying one last time! FX!
2nd cycle w/CCRM. 3 perfect blasts out of the bunch, xferred 1, BFP!!!!
DS Born June 24th! We are truly blessed.

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Hi Ladies,

Amber it will be interesting to hear what the acup herbs are, (if they tell you) my acup seems to consider it his own special potion (just said he uses like 270 different ones and he makes up the mix depending on what he thinks is your problem) and I dont think he would tell me exactly what ones as that might take away the specialness of his cake (so to speak). I have a very open mind and will do everything I can to help the situation.. medical, spiritual, philisophical but I am a bit analytical and I think the deciding factor for me was that he said my problem was a blood and kidney problem (not enough blood, not enough uterine lining and circulation etc to hold a pg) this may be true but I feel if it were a serious problem my medical bloods would not read perfect for blood and kidney function? (dont know but that was my thoughts so made me think he COULD be guessing a little?). He said he would treat me to aid in IVF but felt his treatments were better and more successful than IVF and thus I shouldnt need it.. hmmm (he very expensive two, his treatment plan like $2500).

I decided too that I would have to put faith in my FS and will find another acup to support the EPU and ET. Someone a little less about him and little more about me, to be honest I dont care if they are the worlds best fertility acup I really need someone that can relax me and help me to see confident and secure in this process.

I am currently CD 15 (should surge today, actually should have surged yesterday) and having our usually BD problem (the pressure is just too great for us) At this stage I am starting to think of IVF not so much as something we need to do (although we do) but rather something we choose to do because this TTC the natural way is TOO BLOODY HARD!

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Me 35, DH 44
TTC 5yrs (5yrs previous DH BFN)
Me low AMH @ 8.4 = Low fertility
DH Low S Morphology @ 5% normal = Low fertility
2 x IVF/ICSI.... BFN - bad eggs, advised to use donor eggs.
Gave up and moved on. Then conceived naturally but had missed miscarriage.

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Intrigue- You guys are dealing with a whole host of things. Remember western medicine blood labs are measuring kidney function different where as the accupuncturist is measuring your pulses strength and weaknesses and that determines what is not functioning optimally. What did your accupuncturist say about your husbands low morphology and how to deal with that through herbs? I mean you can do all the work you can but if your husband is a factor than IVF can address that. TCM is all about balancing out the body and working with the blood flow to the ovaries and uterus naturally. However along with herbs did he tell you about what type of diet to eat to help your kidneys etc. My personal take is that nutrition can play an even more important part than accupuncture. Like eating warming foods, avoiding certain types of meets, not microwaving your food.
You are correct that you just need an accupuncturist that does not judge and is there to help no matter what type of treatment you are undergoing. I did switch my accupuncturist to someone who catered to IVF clientele and I was really happy for it.
AFM- I am kind of scared to be going back to TTCing. It was nice not to worry about all that drama every month and so refreshing especially after being literally drained after the IVF cycle.
If I could have one word of advice for you guys. Plan a get away if the IVF cycle doesn't work-not that it won't Big smile . But just in case. My vacation helped me to regroup, unwind, and make peace with the cycle. I needed to be pampered and rest. So I went to Arizona and drank tons of Margarita's (all the alcohol that I had been missing out on), mexican food and enjoyed some spa treatments. Lately I have been drinking more coffee and wanting wine. I know that is not normally me but more a symptom of being back in school. LOL!

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More info about supplements since that seems to be the topic of the day.......

Fertility Supplement Guidelines: Advanced Maternal Age, Poor Egg Quality, Poor Response to Hormonal Stimulation
Supplement with Co-Enzyme Q-10, which helps to support and improve mitochondrial functioning, the powerhouse of the cell. One of the hallmarks of aging is damage to mitochondrial DNA caused by oxygen metabolism and the presence of free radicals in the system.

To limit oxidative damage, supplement with the antioxidants vitamins C, E, A, zinc, and selenium, B vitamins, and pycnogenol or OPC (oligomeric proanthocyanidins).

Supplement with powerfoods like supergreens (wheatgrass, chlorella, spirulina – see above.)

L-Arginine (up to 4 g./day!) helps increase blood flow to the ovaries.

Royal jelly is the Queen bee’s equivalent of hormonal stimulation, although it contains no negative side effects, unless you are allergic to bee products. Royal jelly is used exclusively to nourish the queen bee so she will have prolonged endurance, health, energy, stamina, and most importantly reproductive capability! Royal jelly's primary components are: 15% carbohydrates, 12% proteins, and 5% lipids. Royal jelly proteins are rich in natural hormones such as pheromones, almost all amino acids including essential amino acids, B group vitamins (thiamin, riboflavin, pyridoxin, niacin, biotin, pantothenic acid, folic, and inositol), and vitamin A, C, D, and E. Gelatin, a precursor of collagen and accounts for royal jelly's ability for keeping youthful skin, is also among royal jelly's constituents. Royal jelly also contains sterols, phosphorus compounds, essential fatty acids, and acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter. Other ingredients are nucleic acids, water, and numerous other trace ingredients including calcium, copper, potassium, silicon, and sulfur that are presumably very important for royal jelly's nutritional and therapeutic properties. This potent nutrient can be taken up to 1000 to 2000 mg./day.

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Hi ladies, So I heard from me RE today and she told me NO for the herbs at anytime around IVF, here was her reasoning..."There have been reputable studies showing there can be items in chinese herbs in various amounts that would not be condusive to pregnancy and can impact the liver--subsequently impacting how you process the medications we are giving you"
So I will go with my original plan, no herbs at anytime around IVF at all, for this round at least. I'm sure my Acupuncturist will be ok with it, the RE again encouraged Acup. so that's good.

Intrigue - I would definitely encourage you to find a new Acupuncturist, it should NEVER be about them, they should be there to support you in any way you need support, I mean you are paying them good money for that. And not telling you what herbs he's giving you? that's not ok. My acup. wouldn't do that, she always has a list of the herbs in her blends. As for your IVF being a want and not a need, I think you should do whatever makes you happy. I agree with what Diane said about everything as well. For me IVF is a need, Of course I wanted to get PG without any help but after trying for over 3 years, seeing specialists, going on herbs, acup. etc. etc. I realized that no matter how much we TTC for how many years it just would not happen "naturally" for us. If you still think you have a chance to get PG without IVF then maybe you should look into alternatives and try to make TTC fun again.

Diane - Thanks for the advice. I think we will plan a local getaway for after IVF if we can, we have been wanting to anyway. I know how scary and draining TTC must be right now, and the thought of starting all over. I can't imagine how I will feel, both mentally and physically, if IVF doesn't work the 1st time. It's has been a relief to just BD for fun lately, being on the pill I know there is no chance of getting PG so it has been a needed break from all of the challenges. Even with someone like me who has such a small chance of getting PG on my own I still chart and use OPK's and HPT every month. I have a question for you... Did you have help with the inject-able medications or did you do it yourself? I'm a bit nervous about that part, I'm not scared of needles but it just seems like it may be hard to do it all myself.

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Amber
TTC #1 since 2008
Diagnosed with stage 4 Endometriosis in September 2010
3 failed IVF cycles with local clinic
1 failed cycle at CCRM But we got accepted into their new study so we are trying one last time! FX!
2nd cycle w/CCRM. 3 perfect blasts out of the bunch, xferred 1, BFP!!!!
DS Born June 24th! We are truly blessed.