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Hello BabiesRUS, Molls, Amber and others.

Thought I would start up this thread as although we all have our own buddie groups it seems we are all sharing something similar over the next few months. (Hi Elizabeth hope I not doing anything wrong with this).

As far as I understand Diane has just sadly had a failed IVF but is planning to have another go soon with a couple of frosties?

Amber has started the IVF process and is due for egg retrieval in Oct?

Molls and I are heading towards egg retrieval late Nov.

And we all plan on being pg for Christmas.

Ladies, I was wondering if you could help me with a couple of queries. I read interestingly the debate between the transfer of 1 or 2 (sorry not sure on terminology yet). What do your DR think about it and how many do you plan to have transferred?

Also I read the debate about post transfer bed rest.. again what your DR's saying and what you planning to do?

Look forward to talking soon.... All welcome

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Me 35, DH 44
TTC 5yrs (5yrs previous DH BFN)
Me low AMH @ 8.4 = Low fertility
DH Low S Morphology @ 5% normal = Low fertility
2 x IVF/ICSI.... BFN - bad eggs, advised to use donor eggs.
Gave up and moved on. Then conceived naturally but had missed miscarriage.

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Sounds like a fantastic buddy group idea!! Love it!

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Well done Intrigue for starting this buddy group!!!!I think it is fantastic and we don't know how many others are thinking about IVF so I hope this thread helps!!!

About the embryo transfer, they usually go with 2 if all is okay with the female!!! If there is female problems like pcod or if they are not 100% happy with your lining, hormones, basically the whole package they may only use one. They just want to give you the best chance possible and they really believe that a singleton pregnancy is the best outcome!!! My friend who has just has her 3rd IVf cycle (she is in the tww now), they started her with one embryo first, one from frozen as that is all that survived for the 2nd one and this time they transferred 2. This will increase her chances. It depends on you really. I will opt for 2 if I have the choice.

About the bed rest I know that here we are advised to rest for 30 mins post transfer.They leave us lying down in the clinic for half an hour.Then it's up and about as normal. They recommend that you lead as normal a life as possible in the 2 weeks after transfer. I plan on taking 3 weeks off work around all of the scans and the transfer and for the tww and to be as stress free as possible.I don't want work having any negative impact at all!!!!I will be taking it soooooo easy. You don't have to but that is my plan!!!!

I am delighted that we will be so close in our IVF process!!!It will be great to have a buddy for that. That is off course if we don't get a bfp before November!!!!

My IVF question is do they give general anesthetic for egg retrieval in most countries??? Intrigue do you know what they do there??? Here (Ireland) we just get local and a relaxant and injection of strong analgesia!!!!

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intrigue
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Hi Molls I am not totally sure about the anesthetic for egg retrieval.. I see my FS and the nurses tomorrow so will ask and let you know.

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Me 35, DH 44
TTC 5yrs (5yrs previous DH BFN)
Me low AMH @ 8.4 = Low fertility
DH Low S Morphology @ 5% normal = Low fertility
2 x IVF/ICSI.... BFN - bad eggs, advised to use donor eggs.
Gave up and moved on. Then conceived naturally but had missed miscarriage.

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Intrigue - Great idea for a group!! I may also do down the IVF path, so it's so good knowing there's a group I can join!!

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Hi ya Aboyle. I think it is so good to know that there are others going through or thinking about IVF as I think it is such a nerve wrecking time and a scary, lonely time too. It is great to have a place to vent and to ask questions and to share our fears and excitement. I am sure it is a very emotional time.

I think we should maybe tell a little bit about ourselves for those that don't know each other. I'll start off:
I am planning on going through IVF in November, starting meds for egg production in mid November with egg retrieval around the end of the month!!! We will than be in month 23 of ttc. I am currently on the third and final month of ovulation induction so keeping everything crossed for this to work but if AF arrives in two weeks I will be taking ct off and IVF in November!!! That is me in a nut shell!

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Hello Ladies,

Well yesterday I had some interesting and kinda overwhelming appts. First up Molls to answer your Q. My clinic does put you fully under for the egg retrieval but not for the egg tranfer.

First appt was the FS. In my limited experience the GP's and FS in OZ seem to be very 'SHE'LL BE RIGHT MATE'. They dont believe in BBT or suppliments or anything rather just BD regularly and dont stress. Anyway I asked my FS everything from bi-carb douches to home AI. The body language was priceless, watching him squirm in his chair, pull at his hard and stare with surprise into my eyes all while saying its okay to ask questions.. hee hee. Poor DH was so embarrassed.. but I dont care. Anyway the results were as expected just BD regularly and if it doesnt work in a timeframe then do IVF...!

Next was the nurses, first thing what you name heres you script for bc.. Thank god I knew why they give bc or I would have been horrified. Next was a leture on how the female body works and a booking date. I was like WHOLLY S*&#.
And one nurse said 'SO ARE YOU DOING IT OR NOT' gotta love the compassion. They were like start bc on next cycle and we do ER on Nov 21.. I was like hang on I trying to get pg here and dont see why I need to be on bc for 2 months before ER.. owe okay then they say.... pfft

Next was the accupunturist, I planned to use him before and after the ER and ET as it said to help (he promotes this) But I get there and he any western medicine and any IVF (it doesnt work, I'm more successful than them, your AMH is fine and I guarantee I can fix DH sperm in 3 months).
He was sooo confident that it seems arrogant and unsettling.

It felt like at all places it was like 'Hand in your credit card at the front counter and your body in the room at the back and well call you in 3 months and let you know if we had any success'

I feel rather drained and stressed, how does one know what to do. I really wish the success rates were better. Its like I am so up for IVF but its gotta work..

Its like when Im in the IVF clinic its like this is my best chance and it obviously not working on its own so let just book it in (especially as the clinic may be closing) but then when I'm outside of it, my heart says you can do this on your own.. DH says his boys are fine and I think I am fine.. but is that just wishful thinking after all if we were fine we'd be pg right!

Sorry for the rant, I'm sure you have been where I am. Maybe I'm just not ready for IVF yet, maybe I'm not desperate enough yet (IF THAT IS POSSIBLE). I just feel (for me) that if I go through the IVF process with this much stress and panic that it wont be successful. I am going to need to resign to it and embrace it for it to be successful..

Tomorrow is a different day and I will likely feel completely different tomorrow.. Thanks for listening. Love to all.

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Me 35, DH 44
TTC 5yrs (5yrs previous DH BFN)
Me low AMH @ 8.4 = Low fertility
DH Low S Morphology @ 5% normal = Low fertility
2 x IVF/ICSI.... BFN - bad eggs, advised to use donor eggs.
Gave up and moved on. Then conceived naturally but had missed miscarriage.

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Intrigue- Transfer two. I regret not having done that. But 1 embryo was the protocol for the first round of IVF at my Military hospital. Next time I can have two.
Sorry about the accupuncturist being egotistical. I switched accupuncturist and she was way more encouraging about accupuncture and IVF working in tandem. I mean he is right about how IVF is not natural by any means and works against wholistic medicine philosphy but it is proven they can work together and have a good outcome. I was so glad that I did because it really calmed me down. You are on so many hormones and your body is going crazy-being suppressed and yet stimulated at the same time.

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Thanks for starting this thread. I felt so alone on this website during my last cycle. Especially when people start bashing IVF or they aren't really receptive to it until they need it.

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Diane I too have sensed that negative attitude from some about IVF and feel like WTH why would you bother to comment on it if it isn't your thing and obviously it is others only way!!! some will try everything and anything to get pregnant!!! I want a baby so bad I will try whatever it takes!!! (Well except sperm or egg donation) I know it isn't one bit natural but if I get my little one from it then how can it be so bad??? Look at all the beautiful children that have resulted from IVF!!! How can anyone see the gift of life as a negative thing? Ya I think 2 embryos transferred is much better with increased chances!!! I really hope we can all share and offer the support necessary on here!!!!

Intrigue I don't think we would be normal if we didn't feel scared and unsure about all of this.It is unnatural and sooo hard to accept that we need this level of help. I do think you are ready, you just have fears and anxieties and the professionals we all seem to meet don't seem to have the know how to calm our fears!!!! WTH would you need 2 months of birth control for??? That just goes to show how they don't even look at you as an individual!!! Just following protocol!!! We will all need to vent and get angry and now we know where to do this!!! Hey I have egg retrieval without being knocked out to look forward too so lucky me!!!! That scares the s**t out of me. Apparently the transfer isn't painful at all, just uncomfortable like a smear so one less thing to worry about!!!
I have heard that acu is good for post transfer too. I am attending my acu every week for the last 10 weeks so I think I will be done soon with it!!! She is lovely and so supportive of IVF and meds together with acu but it doesn't seem to be doing much for me!!!

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Yay ladies, this is like our own little safe room. No-one can judge us and we can share EVERYTHING.

Thanks for your support and confidence Molls. What you say about being process orientated is so true. Its like your a doll on the factory production line. I was trying to talk with one of the nurses about wanting to time my IVf similar to my usual cycle (I dont know why I just like the idea of not messing to much with the one thing that works) and she like 'forget that, we going to take charge of your body anyway'.. I know its true but surely there is a nicer more sensitive way to say these things.. It's like well do I get to have a say in anything here. I asked my FS if I could have two embies transfered and he said they leave the decision till later but he was not against it.. when we met with the nurse without asking us our thoughts or anything went into this huge speal about how transfering two was just asking for disaster yadda yadda yadda (how is it her business, I didnt ask for her opinion, surely her job is to present me the options and the pros and cons of each in order to help ME make the decisions). She then also stared talking about putting them back in and on what day.. I asked her for information to assist me on contemplating that decision so that I am prepared when that time comes.. 'nah dont worry we'll tell you what to do at that time owe but remember we only work 5 day week and so your options will be limited to what days we are available' okay so am I just paying your wages or am I trying to have a baby here! I have heard of the possible day 3 or day 5 transfers but my clinic says day 2 or 5 mainly but sometimes they grow on to 6 or 7. Any thoughts is day 2 too early?

Molls try not to worry about the egg retrieval they wouldnt do it without anethetic if it was okay to do so.. They could possibly give you a different form like sedatives or gas or something that has similar effect without actually knocking you out... I once had a colonoscopy I only recently learned that they dont use a general anethetic for it they use some other form of relaxant (well I dont know what it was but it was the best sleep I've ever had.. I want another one just so I can have that sleep) Actually now I think about it I would like that laughing gas, then a least if they tell you, you got no eggs you'll think its funny (for a little while anyway). Sorry if thats insensitive just trying to find things to laugh about.

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Me 35, DH 44
TTC 5yrs (5yrs previous DH BFN)
Me low AMH @ 8.4 = Low fertility
DH Low S Morphology @ 5% normal = Low fertility
2 x IVF/ICSI.... BFN - bad eggs, advised to use donor eggs.
Gave up and moved on. Then conceived naturally but had missed miscarriage.